I’ve got no fancy pictures today or cool review on some new club. Instead I am going to write about counterfeit golf clubs.
Fake golf clubs have always been a problem and with the growth of the internet over the last decade, that problem has grown right along with the web. I’ve especially noticed this because in the last year or so, I’ve had more and more emails contacting me asking me to verify serials, look at pictures of clubs people purchased elsewhere and simply emails telling me that they purchased from some other site and got ripped off.
We also get questions from potential customers who aren’t familiar with TSG or the Japanese golf market about pricing and why they should buy from TSG. (besides the facts that we have been in business over 12 years and serve over 17000 hardcore golf enthusiasts worldwide as of summer 2013.)
What I tell customers is they must do their own due diligence when it comes to purchasing online and this goes for anything not just golf clubs. I do not expect anyone to simply throw down their hard earned money without doing some research and getting all their questions answered. Purchasing the right golf clubs is not easy. Buying the wrong clubs can be tough to deal with but buying fake clubs can turn out to be a nightmare of the worst kind.
A lot of it comes down to pricing. People are obviously attracted by the rock bottom costs of fake golf clubs but that should be the first warning sign. I attribute this also to the lack of understanding or knowledge about Japanese pricing and the Japanese market. I am sure many people look at the TSG site and freak out over the prices. I am not surprised at this reaction at all and as a matter of a fact I even get emails directed at TSG saying “HOW DARE YOU PRICE YOUR CLUBS SO HIGH?!?”
To clarify, our pricing is based on Japanese retail prices and our MSRP is the suggested retail of Japanese manufacturers (we don’t set the prices, they do). Japan and the US are very different markets. Golfers in Japan on average spend 5-6 times more on gear than their American friends, in part to more selection AND higher pricing. Our pricing also has to do with the strong yen which has at one point appreciated by nearly 15% over the last 2 years (edit as of 2012 it has appreciated nearly 25%). Still with all these factors we actually price below the manufacturers suggested prices and try not to increase prices even though exchange rates swing so wildly.
In Japan a $700-800 driver is the norm (I’m talking US dollars here). Higher end drivers easily cost over $1000.00 and this is nothing out of the ordinary. It’s like a Big Mac from McDonald’s. In some parts of the world it may be $2.00 yet in another part of the world it may be $7.00. Except we’re not just talking about the same Big Mac here. We’re talking also about unique and premium Japanese golf clubs many of which are only for the Japanese market. Premium materials, top quality workmanship and a very demanding consumer base all create the environment for higher pricing. It is because of this that Japan is the only country in the world that get’s all the global golf club models PLUS their own JAPAN models.
So are the clubs worth their price tags? That’s very subjective. Without a doubt there are those willing to pay for something unique and different and what is perceived by many as premium or higher quality materials and workmanship. Japanese market clubs aren’t for everyone but there are many golf enthusiasts who think otherwise. Many are willing to pay for Made in Japan (yes many brands still are) or the hand made workmanship and cool designs and great performance that many JDM (Japan Domestic Market) clubs offer.
So back to fake and counterfeit clubs…
Hint number 1 that a buyer should pick up is that the price is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. This has to be the biggest give away for a fake club. Many of these so called golf shops online sell drivers and irons for 15% – 20% of the suggested manufacturers retail price. TSG deals with all the biggest manufacturers in Japan and I can tell you as you probably already know, retailer and even distributor costs are MUCH higher than that. So you have these stores saying they can sell you Japanese market golf clubs for far less than the cost for a top distributor or retailer. Sounds impossible? That’s because it is.
Hint number 2 is the lack of information or expertise on the products from these stores. I had one customer email me last year and say one other company (not located in Japan) was selling the Japan market R9 Forged for 185.00 for 5-PW. At this time last year, the R9 Forged had not even been announced in Japan yet. I went to the site in question and they were indeed claiming what looked like the standard cast R9 model as being forged. They even had pictures of the sand wedge and on the sole it had BOTH 58* AND SW marked… first time I had ever seen that. So not only was this site selling fake R9’s they were passing them off as forged. These retailers have no knowledge of materials, design, manufacturing processes. The problem with this is that many of theses questionable retailers have gone as far as using all our product descriptions (which I should note I usually translate from Japanese to English) and even use the pictures we take.
Hint number 3 is where are these clubs coming from? One emailer just bought a set of R9 irons from a store that claimed it sold Japan market products and even claimed to be a Japanese shop… however when he received the clubs, they shipped to him from China and were indeed fakes. TSG sells Japan market products so all our products ship to you from Japan, not China, not Hong Kong, not Vietnam or Thailand. Don’t get me wrong, I love these countries and have visited them all but the truth is none of these countries can get Japan market golf gear for less than 20% of the price that we or any other Japan retailer can get.
I’ve contemplated writing about this for a long time and I hesitated as I wasn’t sure if this was opening a can of worms. I’m not saying don’t buy from anyone else but TSG , as a very avid golf club enthusiast I’ve just simply had enough of seeing people get ripped off. The worst part of it is that there are probably many many people out there who don’t even realize that the 99.00 2010 Japan market driver they bought is a fake. Counterfeits and fakes hurt everyone, the manufacturers, the customers, the retailers.
As I noted above all I say is people need to use their common sense and do their due diligence and that includes shopping from TSG. I’m always answering questions about our guarantees and the authenticity of the products we carry and I have no problems doing this as this means that potential customer is doing his homework by asking me questions and checking out TSG’s rep online through other big golf sites or talking with peers and fellow golf enthusiasts. For someone who has a doubt… this is the way it should be.
So for everyone out there interested not only in Japanese market golf clubs but in buying any golf clubs online, do us all a favor, use your common sense, don’t hesitate to ask questions and do all the research you can. It’s your hard earned money after all.
Thanks for this post. I guess one of the problems is everyone wants the best clubs but people aren’t willing to pay for them. You pay for what you get… If they think they are getting a premium Japan driver at 100.00 new they they haven’t done their due diligence as you said.
Could you give me your opinion on this site please. it is http://www.golfstaring.com/
regards
ollie
Hi Ollie,
Look at their R9 Japan model iron for example. They give the option of steel or graphite. They don’t say what steel shaft even though they list NS Pro WHITE steel (which I have never heard of) and DG. They also list PX which is an expensive upgrade from TM Japan. Also graphite and steel are the same price whereas TM Japan lists graphite as an upgrade. The set is 9 irons 3-PW + SW, what happened to the AW? 9 irons at 404.00 USD = 44.00 an iron and that includes shipping. That is FAR below cost for a Taylormade Japan retail account IN JAPAN! And surprise surprise… they use a photo from our site when we first spotted the R9 iron… http://www.tourspecgolf.com/blog/2009/07/taylormade-r9-irons-spotted/ You can see on the top left edge of the image where they carelessly cropped out the bottom of our watermark. Check out their descriptions for a lot of the Japan market products… all copied from our site. I wonder where they ship from…
Thanks for the post. When i first got into Japanese golf clubs i didnt know much and got ripped off with some Taylormade fakes. News flash: real taylormades don’t come head only!!
When a friend has a set of what he called Callaway clubs that he bought for a really good deal over the net, I inspected them closely. They were nothing like a Callaway and you needed a trained eye to see that or atleast look at the poor craftsmanship.
I really wonder if every manufacture has been counter fitted?
Counterfeit Clubs are everywhere on the Internet and especially on the leading Auction site. Now the Counterfeiter’s are printing “Shaft labels” for the top selling Iron Shafts and putting those labels on “pure crap” Shafts….I’ve seen this first hand at the Doc’s Place and the Counterfeit Shafts don’t even weigh the same and the Flex isn’t even consistent within a set.
I know Crooks have always been around but it hurts me when they take advantage of someone who is so passionate about their Golf. So sad!!
A timely posting, thanks, “T”!!!
@Golf Instruction Guy.com:
I bought these Callaways and thought it was a killer deal. Too good to be true i guess. I got ripped off and had no idea they werer fakes until i went to get them reshafted.
Your Message@lostintherough:
I got scamed on a pair of irons that I thought were real!4 years later they still play great!Oh well,whatever,they work for me”
Great Post!Whats worse about counterfeit clubs,is to play against a good player using them, and shoots 72 on you all day!..)-:
On 8 July 2010, I wrote to Callaway Golf, asking about GolfWholeSaleSelller.com. Here was Callaway’s reply:
“Dear Mr. Murphy,
I would like to thank you for your interest in Callaway Golf products and for taking the time to write to us regarding http://www.golfwholesaleseller.com . I can confirm that we are aware of this site and that the clubs they distribute are counterfeit. Unfortunately because they are based in China it’s a little more difficult to go after them. However, we do work with the Chinese government on a regular basis to pursue the people involved in this activity. Although this is a slow process and the penalties generally don’t fit the crime we will continue to do what we can.
For your future reference on Internet sites selling our products you might want to refer to the link below which will take you to a list of authorized sites.
http://locator.callawaygolf.com/Global/en-US/Callaway/CallawayAuthorizedOnlineRetailers.html
Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
Thanks again for writing.
Sincerely,
Michael Dow
Callaway Golf
Investigator “
Rich that’s definitely a problem as many of the counterfeiters are located in China… actually probably all of them are making it difficult to go after them. This is why I noted to be careful of where the clubs are shipping from. The information you provided though is very useful. Thanks for that.
I bought a counterfeit Taylor Made Superfast Driver from golfwholesaleseller.com. I have the club sitting in the box it was shipped in. while my credit card account has assured that I will not be charged for this, I want to report it to someone at Taylor Made who cares. (the local rep could not care less.) I see that Callaway has Golf Investigators. Are there similar people at Taylor Made and if so how do I contact them.
These fake sites exist because there are a lot of golfers who want the prestige of having the name brand club in there bag but don’t want to pay the price sowhy are we surprised these sites are out there. I never understood why so many mid to high handicap player’s who play once or twice a week would justify paying the outrageous price that is being charged for these club. I know because we have these guys in my league. They pay $500 for a driver, $1000 for a set of irons, $200 a piece for the woods or hybrid…we are looking at $2000 for a name brand set (and proudly wave them around to the ohs and ahs of others) and in the end they are hitting the same scores as me with my clones (not knockoffs). If the name brand companies would just charge a reasonable price for their goods than the knockoffs and clones would not exist but that’s another story. I know I will hear all about the R&D blah blah but in the end all this technology doesn’t make up for the fact that the problem would be better addressed by paying $500 for clubs, $500 for lessons and $1000 on golfing more. So those of you worried that you may get ripped off by one of these sites need to take a step back and ask yourself, do I really need the name brand if I can only afford to pay the $500 these sites are charging and if so you must realize you usually get what you pay for so. If you can only afford $500 (and IMHO that’s all most average golfers should spend) find yourself a nice clone maker who will back their product with a warranty and you will not have to worry if your getting ripped off. The only loss you will suffer is you wont be able to wave that ‘name brand’ club around for all to see.
You can even buy a Counterfeit Mercedes or a BMW from China. I wonder how those buyers feel??
Do you know if the Taylor made R9 fairway woods and the Taylormade burner pro 2.0 irons are counterfeit on this site – prices are great but don’t won’t to buy fakes… thanks. http://www.discountsforgolf.com/
I’m not familiar with that site but based on their prices for the Legacy and ViQ line, their selling price is well BELOW our cost and we have official Japanese accounts with both Callaway and Tourstage yet this site is selling the clubs for less than what we as a retailer would get the clubs at wholesale for from the actual brand. Also they have several fishy links in their footer including “Wholesale handbags from China”. You can be the judge.
hi.i have just orderd a set of r9″s4i to pas. at a realy good price but now after reading your review i think thay might be fakes.whats your opinion the site in question is http://www.greatsportsbar.com.
That website sells several Japan model clubs for below OUR COST and we are a Japanese retailer. Not to mention they use descriptions for these clubs that I personally translated and wrote for our site. Man all these sites are frustrating. I really don’t know how they can get away with it.
Your Message@gocchin:
should i send them back and ask for a refund.
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Hi I need help!! I just purchased a set of Mizunos MX1000’s from ebay seller. I know forst mistake. They are supposed to be used only one round but I was concerned to find out that only one club ( # 7) had a seril number. The seller tells me that they are asian version and that they only put the serial in one club. I did not buy it so I called mizuno USA and they said they put serials on all. How can I find out it they are rel or fake? thank you in advance
The MX-1000 are not a Japanese release. They were a US model that may have been released in other parts of the world.
Some brands in Japan however DO only put serial numbers on one iron in the set ie TM.
The fact:
After the first time I played with the driver bought at “discountgolfwholesale.com”, it started making a nasty rattling noise inside the club head.
Through a friend (dealer) I returned the club to Taylormade assistance and they just replied that the Driver is not Original.
Here is discountgolfwholesale.com reply:
From:
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:01:19 -0700
To: xxx
Subject: RE: R: I: DRIVER R9 SUPERTRI 9.5 SHAFT Order number: XXXX
Dear XXX
Nice to get your reply.
We are sorry for the quality problem .All the parts of the clubs are produced by original brand products, they are just not assembled by the original brand company.So the product can not be verified by the Taylormade. But their quality and performance are as well as the products which totally made by original factory.
Now i have sent the picture to our manager.You can get a satisfied result within at most 2 days.
Regards.
Christina
BEWARE discountgolfwholesale.com PRODUCTS ARE NOT ORIGINAL
I was wondering if there is any place to turn in these sites that sell counterfeit clubs? I found this site http://www.supplygolfclubs.com/ and bought a wedge from them not really thinking about it and it ended up being fake. I was wondering if in any way you could get you money back from them? I email them and all they said is they have no record of my order and I was wondering if turning them in could help me get it back?
Is it time to book the next round of golf, but you have a million other things to do? It can be frustrating to call all the local courses for that one available tee time. That’s where we come in! We’ll take care of all the details for you. Just tell us when you want to play and we take care of the rest
I knowingly bought a set of counterfeit clubs I am a high handicap I dropped from a 23 to a 16 in about 2 months . I couldn’t see paying the high price for something I wasn’t sure would help or not
Your Message@Frederick:
I just got some R9 forged japan heads today. u got me thinking that they r fake i payed 400.00 for the heads.they have the serial# on the seven iron but i am having a bad feeling about them.can u tell me if they r fake by serial #98me5743.Please let me know ASAP I can send them back if they r fake i bought them off ebay
Do not buy clubs from cheapgolf4u. This site sells fake clubs. I bought a Titleist fairway wood and the head cracked the second time I used it. I was offered $10 to get the club ‘repaired’. Better to save up and get a real club than waste money like I did.
Your Message@Zack:
A good way to check is on who.godaddy.com
you can check their URL to see where they are based out of. It seems the website you pointed to is based out of China… be careful.
I got stuck with a set of counterfeit Diablo Edge irons last year that are still boxed up in the original packaging from China. I purchased an original set from my local golf store shortly after the fiasco of getting a full refund from my credit card company. The fake clubs are still sitting in a closet. What do I do with them? I hate to just trash them…
Any ideas?
Jason sorry to hear that. Instead of trashing them, you could always send them to Callaway. Callaway and other brands are always working to break these counterfeiters and having more samples help them track counterfeiters and understand what they are doing to copy them.
Any comments on golfpartnerusa.com? they said they sell 100% authentic golf clubs
I found the article on fake golf clubs very interesting. but the question is: who makes those golf clubs? We all agree that the machinery and technology necessary for manufacturing is not cheap. You also need materials such as titanium or carbon, etc. So I wonder, do all those shops that sell counterfeit golf clubs have the necessary machinery for their manufacture?
In a global planet where industrial espionage is very common, how do you… buy an original driver head (for example) and then buy the machinery to manufacture it together with the design? And finally… are the technical features of these golf clubs so different from the original ones? All the best.